Read that again: "Obama is not president as far as I'm concerned. He should be executed as an enemy combatant." (Video here.)
She then went on to remind Bridenstine and the audience about the Muslims Obama is letting into this country to be pilots on commercial jets, which was proof to her that "this guy is a criminal!" She blamed congress for doing nothing when Obama "has no authority. He has NO authority!"
And when she was finished and the camera turned back to him, the first words out of U.S. Congressman Jim Bridenstine's mouth were, "Look, everybody knows the lawlessness of this president."
He went on to describe a Chief Executive so out of control, so power-hungry, that when he couldn't get something done through executive order, "then he used foreign bodies".
He used as an example an effort in April, 2013 to ban certain types of guns, "not because they operated any differently than any other types of guns but because they looked scary". Then he tried to block magazine sizes, which, again Congress blocked. "Which was the right answer," according to Jim.
But the congressman saved the best--or worst--for last: "Then he wanted universal background checks, which is a national gun registration, let me be clear." Pause, repeat: "He wanted universal background checks which is a national gun registration. . .". And when Obama couldn't get that done he went to the U.N, where they passed an international Arms Trade Treaty, which, according to Jim, says if you have any gun that has any part manufactured in a foreign country, then they have to do more than a national background check, they have to do an international background check and it becomes an international gun registry. (The Horror!)
Well, of course, this president signed it. So here's how Jim sees it:
"Now let me be clear. The Second Amendment of the United States of America is not open for debate by a foreign government."
A woman in his audience has just called for the President of the United States to be executed and this congressman answers her by bringing up the president's push for background checks, gun registration, and his dealings with foreign countries to accomplish the same.
Nobody seems to know where this meeting took place or exactly when, but someone put it on YouTube and it went viral. The press picked it up. Bridenstine got wind of the flak and put this notice on his web page:
“A public figure cannot control what people say in open meetings. I obviously did not condone and I do not approve of grossly inappropriate language. It is outrageous that irresponsible parties would attribute another person’s reckless remarks to me."
So let's talk about who is being irresponsible. You kept quiet when an audience member called for the death of the president, and then you added fuel to the fire. You brought up guns and the Second Amendment and insinuated that the President of the United States is in league with foreign players to take American gun rights away.
I hope the Secret Service pays that group a call and I hope you're there when they do. You all need a lesson in Government, in Civics, in Constitutional and Sedition Laws, and in civility.
I confess that I've never been as fearful of a president's safety as I have with Barack Obama. The gun nuts are getting bolder and the propaganda against his "otherness" is unrelenting and growing more fierce.
There is no proof that this president has been threatened more than any other. (I went looking.) The Secret Service won't provide those statistics, of course, and Politifact finds no evidence and calls the charges that he has been "false". But a simple search finds threats against this president by the thousands. Including this one on Facebook from the Christian American Patriots Militia (Read more here.):
The rumor is that Ted Nugent got a visit from the Secret Service for saying, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year." I hope it's not just a rumor. We'll never know unless Teddy tells us, but I hope they're doing their jobs. That was a direct threat. (Not that it would cure him. I wrote about his shenanigans just last month. He gets off on this stuff. Apparently so do a lot of other people.)
Are threats against the president illegal? It depends. There is this:
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the PresidencyWhoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
But then there's this from FrumForum on July 21, 2011:
On Tuesday, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that comments which encouraged the assassination of President Obama and predicted that he would have “a .50 cal in the head soon” while using racial slurs against him were protected by the First Amendment. While the decision seems to be a plausible reading of existing precedents, a former Secret Service agent contacted by FrumForum thought that it exposed the president to unacceptable risk.
“It was a bad decision,” said Joseph Petro, former agent and co-author of Standing Next to History: An Agent’s Life Inside the Secret Service. He argued that permitting such remarks “creates more potential for someone to do something” dangerous. Petro claimed that, in his experience, it is normal to treat such comments as threats, saying “I’ve seen this before … Back in the Nixon days, there was a guy who put up a billboard in New Jersey saying ‘Kill Nixon.’ He was arrested and the billboard was taken down.”
“We’re all in favor of constitutional rights,” he added, but “there should be some … sensitivity shown for the unique risk that the President faces.”
The former agent suggested that the ruling was part of a pattern of recent events that did not show a proper awareness of the dangers presidents face comparing it to incidents in the past two years in which protesters brought weapons to presidential speeches. Petro also noted that the fact that the accused, Walter Bagdasarian, predicted that Obama would be shot with a .50 caliber rifle while he owned such a gun made the threatening nature of the comments especially clear.
However, two legal experts contacted by FrumForum both agreed with the majority’s central claim that Bagdasarian did not express an intention to personally kill Obama because he merely predicted the president’s killing and encouraged others to shoot him. “The speaker did not tell Obama that if he didn’t do something he would shoot him,” said Geoffrey Stone, a law professor at the University of Chicago who has written extensively on First Amendment issues. “The speech may have been repugnant and ugly … but it did not constitute a threat within the meaning of the First Amendment.”
I'm afraid. I'm very afraid. When advocating and encouraging the killing of our president is protected under the First Amendment, it's destined to become as twisted as the Second Amendment to mean whatever the advocates want it to mean. It'll be open season on wishing the president dead.
Something will have to happen before we wake up to the harm this can bring. I dread to think what that might be.
(Can I just say to those who are already revving up their keyboards to remind me that George W. Bush got death threats, too? I don't doubt it. Every president has. It goes with the territory. But this was a town hall meeting where a member of congress did nothing to disabuse an audience member of the notion that the President of the United States should be executed as an enemy combatant. Instead, he immediately launched into an attack on "the lawlessness of the president" and his shady attempts to bring in foreign countries to control our guns, showing him to be a dangerous character, indeed. Let me know when you find something comparable.)
Back when the Tea Party nutjobs were first flexing their political muscle, there were a few politicians from red states who told them they were deluded. I can recall (but unfortunately am blanking on the name) seeing a former Republican congressman from one of the Carolinas talking about his experience. He tried to tell his constituents they were mistaken or misguided; they might not like President Obama's policies but he was the President and they should respect that. He lost the next election. That sent a message to the other sane politicians that if they wanted to stay in office they had to coddle the lunatics.ReplyDelete
Of course, even here in the U.P. I encounter a fair number of people who are convinced President Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya. They're the same people who rant about socialism while spending the Social Security money and who have no health insurance other than Medicare or Medicaid. Cognitive dissonance -- it's the American way.
A few weeks ago I read an excellent book about Abraham Lincoln and the political context of the Civil War. There are a lot of similarities between then and now. Back in the 1840s and 1850s there was a small but very vocal minority in the South that absolutely refused to deal with reality. End result? The Civil War. It's an extremely depressing parallel to today.
Thanks, Nancy. People still seem to think the Tea Party is a grassroots movement, but they were taken over early on and funded and supported by the Koch Brothers, ALEC,and in Michigan, the Mackinac Center.ReplyDelete
They're the ones we're fighting. Their modus operandi is to create this kind of chaos and fear and then spread it wide. My "friends" over in the part of the UP where I live buy into that nonsense, too. There's no question that they think a black president is illegitimate, but it could be any Democrat.
If Hillary wins, then they'll hate the fact that she's a woman. Old white guys, preferably rich racist misogynists, are where it's at for them.
I'm pretty disgusted with Obama myself, but you vote the guy OUT and that is it. And as for Obama's "lawlessness" --- Bush and Cheney taught the freaking Master's Course on that shit, I am struggling thru Jane Mayer's "Dark Side" right now ---stopping to grind teeth as "legality" is re-written for their personal preferences in barbarity.ReplyDelete
I get disgusted, too, but nearly as much as I did with the Bush/Cheney bunch. I wanted to see justice done, but I can safely say I never wanted to see anybody dead.ReplyDelete
Labrys, I looked at Mayer's book on Amazon and it got some great praise. A very important book, they all said, and it'll blow the lid of the Bush administration. It came out in July, 2008 and no lids were even flipped off, let alone blown off. That's what's so hard to take. The truth comes out, it's so damning there's no question that prison sentences should have been imminent and then--nothing.ReplyDelete
That's why history continues to repeat itself. Because we only get around to seeing how bad it really was in hindsight.
I'm with Clarence Darrow on this one:"I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction.”ReplyDelete
— Clarence Darrow