tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post4750836808021409039..comments2024-03-18T14:20:19.438-04:00Comments on Ramona's Voices: Fair Weather Dems will be the Death of Us YetRamona Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-18639120684485419602015-05-18T02:57:10.585-04:002015-05-18T02:57:10.585-04:00Are You In Need Of A Private Or Business Loans At ...Are You In Need Of A Private Or Business Loans At 2% Rate For Various Purposes? If Yes; Contact us with this details below take note we give out from $20,000.00USD to 10million USD<br />Full Name:<br />Amount Needed:<br />Duration:<br />Country<br />Cell No:<br />Sex:<br />contact us via email fasterloanservice@gmail.com<br />Best Regards<br />Mr.Marsha Goodmangoodmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-60558043898608163542012-08-12T21:52:57.881-04:002012-08-12T21:52:57.881-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Articles Todayhttp://www.articles2day.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-82572278963757954422012-05-25T08:38:38.274-04:002012-05-25T08:38:38.274-04:00Patricia, there are many Democrats going vocal abo...Patricia, there are many Democrats going vocal about their feelings of betrayal by President Obama, and much of if is justified.<br /><br />For the record, Democrats have always felt betrayed by their leaders--going back in my lifetime to FDR, who, while a great president, nevertheless undermined projects that would surely have alleviated intolerable misery for many who were waiting to be saved. His administration put thousands of Japanese-Americans in internment camps. When they were finally released they found they had nothing. Their homes weren't theirs anymore and their belongings had disappeared.<br /><br />JFK and Johnson had to be pushed hard in order to recognize the need for their input on civil rights.<br /><br />I'm not making excuses for Obama, just pointing out that even Dem presidents aren't perfect! Still, I'll take a Dem president any day over a Republican.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-32011913594558693072012-05-23T07:37:45.633-04:002012-05-23T07:37:45.633-04:00This was a really good post and I, along with a lo...This was a really good post and I, along with a lot of other progressives are very disillusioned by the President. I have had similar conversations with democrats and they will not vote for president Obama again. I have actually been looking at the Green Party, and your probably right, they don't stand a chance.I guess the biggest problem in politics is people run for office with a certain platform, then either do nothing about it or complete reversals. Maybe it's because no one is accountable for their actions any more. And we are not allowed to "look back". Certainly,Romney is a train wreck. I don't know how President Obama is going to convince the people who feel almost betrayed by him, to get out and vote for him again.Patriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885426575922045330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-86471907902114917882012-05-21T21:32:19.768-04:002012-05-21T21:32:19.768-04:00Marion, my doors are always open. I HATE when peo...Marion, my doors are always open. I HATE when people walk on by without stopping in. Looking forward to seeing you here. I don't post every day but the bloggers and media folk on my sidebar are very active and come up with stuff by the minute. Come on in and read the noos.<br /><br />(And call me Mona, y'all.)Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-66299964887414784892012-05-21T21:18:38.245-04:002012-05-21T21:18:38.245-04:00Heh... It's hard to stop an old fart like me ...Heh... It's hard to stop an old fart like me from saying what she wants to! I just love the fact that you're so very responsive to the folks who comment -- even newbies like me. Trust me that you're on my "read every day" list of blogs.<br /><br />Marion in SavannahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-70234109010438980742012-05-21T17:41:44.739-04:002012-05-21T17:41:44.739-04:00Well, it appears that Disqus has disappeared from ...Well, it appears that Disqus has disappeared from my blog. Trying to figure out where it went and how I can get it back. Stay tuned.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-88965540599546838152012-05-21T17:06:25.975-04:002012-05-21T17:06:25.975-04:00Marion, thanks so much for taking the trouble to c...Marion, thanks so much for taking the trouble to comment. I've had problems with the comment section here on Blogger forever. I thought I had it fixed by adding Disqus, but I guess not.<br /><br />I'll have to see what else I can do to make it easier to comment. No point in having a blog if people can't comment.<br /><br />Thanks again.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-67884718441503755402012-05-21T16:34:09.286-04:002012-05-21T16:34:09.286-04:00Thanks for this post. I get SO discouraged by the...Thanks for this post. I get SO discouraged by the "cut your nose off to spite your face" crowd that I could scream.<br /><br />I'm sorry to comment as another "Anonymouse" but when I tried to use my WordPress URL I kept getting a message saying it contained illegal characters. I go by Marion in Savannah.<br /><br />Thanks again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-29529326321458148622012-05-21T13:20:13.833-04:002012-05-21T13:20:13.833-04:00Jim, FYI, there is a "Contact" button un...Jim, FYI, there is a "Contact" button under the banner that gives my email address, but it is ramonasvoices at gmail dot com. I look forward to hearing from you.<br /><br />You make some excellent points, not least of which is the reason the DNC tends to play safe and stay centrist. I long ago removed FDL from my blogroll when I saw how destructive their rants were, but that doesn't mean I don't wholeheartedly agree that a liberal populist movement with millions of members willing to make their presence known is absolutely essential to any form of Democracy.<br /><br />I want the Democratic Party to be a leader in the liberal populist movement and I'll keep working to make that happen. When the unions began moving away from the Democrats, not trusting them to put labor first, I knew our work was cut out for us. It's the party leaders who need to be made to understand who we are and what we stand for. And it's up to us to make sure they understand that.<br /><br />We are Democrats. We are NOT Republicans. Any thought of a merger in any branch or in any office is repugnant and totally unacceptable.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-24364888593349993042012-05-21T12:23:01.196-04:002012-05-21T12:23:01.196-04:00Ramona, I wrote you a long comment, one that well ...Ramona, I wrote you a long comment, one that well exceeded the character limit. I'd like to e-mail it to you, because it also includes a bit of history I have to leave out here that you might find interesting and valuable, but couldn't find your address. (Mine is 'jimbenton' (without the 'o') and I'm at verizon dot net, if you want to write me so I can send it to you. We could discuss it there, or maybe you would find it worth excerpting.)<br /><br />Anyway, I not only agree with you, I find the idea of scratching Obama and either not voting or voting for Romney to be as counterproductive as it is insane. Romney will lose anyway, he has been so turning people off I've bet 500 books to 5 that he won't get 100 electoral votes. Not voting will simply help elect more Republican Congresscritters -- and further convince the DNC that it is better to ally with the centrists who may hold them back than to ally with a Left that has shown itself to be unreliable, untrustworthy and incompetent to even achieve what it tries -- an impression that started in the Nixon era and has yet to be disproven.)<br /><br />I would accuse them of committing 'suicide by principle' except it isn't suicide. Most of the FDL Posse, The Hamster Herself, GG, and Arevosis in particular, are well off. They could lose SS, and there is no reason to imagine they've ever even met someone who personally needed Medicare.<br /><br />No, it's not suicide but homicide. If Romney and the Republicans are elected, people are going to die from the cutting of the safety net. I can't tell these progressives from the fabled 'religious policemen' in Saudi Arabia who, acting on THEIR prnciples, allowed a school full of teenage girls to burn down rather than to permit the girls to appear in 'religiously inappropriate dress in public.Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-54280573516669690002012-05-21T12:15:09.293-04:002012-05-21T12:15:09.293-04:00registered, that point might be more important tha...registered, that point might be more important than anything else we can come up with. We're still waiting to undo the logjam of department heads, as well. We deserve a government that works for us.<br /><br />Thank you.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-49549499214137412682012-05-21T12:00:41.621-04:002012-05-21T12:00:41.621-04:00JosephP, I'm baffled and disheartened by some ...JosephP, I'm baffled and disheartened by some of the edicts coming out of the White House, too. I just don't get it, and I applaud anyone who tries to shine light on the motives.<br /><br />But at the same time, I can't disregard the successes, meager as they may be in the eyes of some. They're not that meager to those without hope, and they may be life-saving in the end. I give Obama credit for working to make some changes that help the poor and middle class. That is isn't enough isn't in dispute. It's not nearly enough, but if we don't work to give him four more years every advance will be lost. We won't be able to start over again, and the people counting on us to keep the momentum going are going to be lost.<br /><br />We're in such trouble in this country the direction of this election will impact everybody who is not part of the 1%. That's almost all of us.<br /><br />For that reason I'll work my tail off to make sure the Democrats win. Then let the smacking around begin.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-19316729394824759242012-05-21T11:57:07.680-04:002012-05-21T11:57:07.680-04:00I'm not happy with some of the things Obama ha...I'm not happy with some of the things Obama has done and not done but a vote for Romney or not voting at all means another 2 or possibly 3 Scalias, or Roberts, or Thomases on the Supreme Court. <br /><br />In addition there are federal judges in the lower courts to be considered. <br /><br />We progressives just can not allow that.registeredguestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-51895342310479486342012-05-21T11:35:42.675-04:002012-05-21T11:35:42.675-04:00I'd like to suggest to all the Anonymii out th...I'd like to suggest to all the Anonymii out there that it's easy to sign up with Disqus and create a username. It gets really confusing when there are more than one commenting on a post. I don't know if I'm still talking to Anon One or if there's an Anon Two out there--or maybe an Anon Three.<br /><br />Thanks.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-90600545740480268552012-05-21T11:31:09.052-04:002012-05-21T11:31:09.052-04:00To Unknown: I'm curious about how we'll w...To Unknown: I'm curious about how we'll work to get more Progressives in our party when our party becomes so decimated it no longer functions? <br /><br />I'm also curious about how it helps us as Democrats to teach Obama a lesson by giving the presidency over to Mitt Romney and the Republicans?<br /><br />If you personally can't handle four more years of Barack Obama, how do you think you'll be able to handle four years of Mitt Romney? You can't honestly believe it won't be any worse. It will be terrible. Every forward step we've made will disappear. The poor and disenfranchised will be sacrificed to these fits of pique, when the obvious remedy is to work within the party to build a more progressive leadership.<br /><br />It won't happen overnight but it won't happen at all if the Republicans win.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-19972216993237136672012-05-21T11:17:31.599-04:002012-05-21T11:17:31.599-04:00Makes sense to me, Anonymous. Thanks for writing....Makes sense to me, Anonymous. Thanks for writing.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-6908175368594734692012-05-21T11:16:00.339-04:002012-05-21T11:16:00.339-04:00Certain aspects of the Obama presidency such as th...Certain aspects of the Obama presidency such as the NDAA and the attacks on whistleblowers have been scary. Its hard to endorse someone who in some ways has taken the war on terror and the power of the presidency beyond Bush. We wanted a solid reversal of those policies. I would shudder to think what a Romney would do with this power, now that presidents can execute Americans without due process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-18559998010379238722012-05-21T11:14:28.656-04:002012-05-21T11:14:28.656-04:00JosephP, thanks for your comments. I have to agre...JosephP, thanks for your comments. I have to agree that calling Democrats "Fair Weather Friends" probably wasn't my best move. Having said that, equating Democrats threatening to leave the party because the party isn't working for them with Americans leaving America because it's not working for them makes a lot of sense to me.<br /><br />As a Democrat unhappy with the shenanigans of my party I don't see how it helps to either stand by the Republicans and blast them together or outright leave the party. We build a strong party by working together, just as we have to build a strong country by working together.<br /><br />I obviously don't agree that Obama is a con man, but you have a right to your opinion. You also have a right to vote for whomever you wish.<br /><br />I'm addressing Democrats who want to make our party relevant and essential to the people who need a strong party so badly. I'll say it again: Our leaders aren't the main elements of our party--the people are. The leaders can be replaced and they can be "persuaded" until they act like Democrats again, but we can't do it without having majority power.<br /><br />We can't do anything if we're not in the majority, and that's the issue. We have to win in order to make positive change. Otherwise it's a backward slide until we reach the bottom, and then we're not in a position to help anybody.<br /><br />So, as you can see, I disagree with almost everything you've said but I'm glad you took the time to comment. Really.Ramona Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160614050077886238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-47187928493867607882012-05-21T10:12:14.837-04:002012-05-21T10:12:14.837-04:00I'd rather vote against a REAL Republican, and...I'd rather vote against a REAL Republican, and bring in Progressives in the House and Senate, go for a more Progressive President in 2016.<br /><br />Or maybe Romney is your kind of Progressive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-35533649561234994582012-05-21T10:08:44.656-04:002012-05-21T10:08:44.656-04:00Replying to your pair of comments...
I could not ...Replying to your pair of comments...<br /><br />I could not disagree more.<br /><br />On the left, I have a person who (some feel) hasn't upheld (some? many?) Democratic principles and ideals.<br /><br />On the right, I have a near-weathervane that, when it does act, it acts directly against my well-being.<br /><br />A choice between a person trying to help but not always getting there, and a person who is trying to hurt you should not be hard to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-38939573199336737012012-05-21T10:00:59.014-04:002012-05-21T10:00:59.014-04:00"I believe that Obama is a con man, and WE DE..."I believe that Obama is a con man, and WE DEMOCRATS are the marks of his con!"<br /><br />I agree with JosephP completely. I bought Obama's snake-oil about "change" in 2008. I'm not buying it in 2012.<br /><br />One thing that has astounded me these past 4 years is how the Democrats kept carrying on about what awful shape the country was in after 8 years of George W. Bush. To hear them tell it, it was as bad as the US was in 1932 after 4 years of Herbert Hoover. Yet, when Obama got into office with his Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate, he did nothing except to continue the same policies that the Democrats claimed were failing. Obama was supposed to have been a scholar regarding FDR; yet he acted more like Hoover than FDR.<br /><br />I personally can not handle 4 more years of Barak Obama. My vote is Mitt Romney's to lose. Maybe if the Democratic Party can purge the Republican wannabes and get some REAL progressives into office, and if it can choose a TRUE Democrat who has the smarts to occupy the Oval Office in 2016, then my vote will be the Democrats' to lose.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202817001888855143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-63879264334875044032012-05-21T09:29:14.426-04:002012-05-21T09:29:14.426-04:00Also, I would like to say that the headline "...Also, I would like to say that the headline "Fair Weather Dems will be the Death of Us Yet" is insulting. I am not a "Fair Weather Dem," I am a "Principled Dem." And insisting on our Democratic leaders to actually support those principles, or else they don't get our vote, is not the same as "taking our toys and going home." This is not a petulant reaction---it is a desperate and frustrated one. Not rewarding Obama for his treachery to our principles is perhaps the only way to save the Republic in the long run.JosephPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01965242356366611740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-63718525495812817442012-05-21T09:23:13.991-04:002012-05-21T09:23:13.991-04:00First comment---great blog! I especially apprecia...First comment---great blog! I especially appreciate how you participate in the comments section----that's the sign of a true blogger.<br /><br />On the subject---I disagree that Democrats saying they will opt out of the election until 2016 is similar to saying that we will opt out as Americans until America comes to its senses. Being Democrat does not mean we owe our vote to whomever the Party nominates.<br /><br />I believe that Obama is a con man, and WE DEMOCRATS are the marks of his con! It is not a conclusion I have reached lightly. But seriously, the man is no fool. He is a former professor of Constitutional law at Harvard! How can someone with such a background send his AG out to make some ridiculous claim that the Constitution ony ensures "due process," not "judicial process?" (The Constitution actually ensures "due process OF LAW"). There is no way to reconcile such a statement with a man that obviously knows better, unless it is part of a con game.<br /><br />I haven't exactly made up my mind if I am going to vote for Obama anyway as the lesser of two evils---as Al Gore said, a presidential election is a choice, not a referendum. But I can see something in the argument that rejecting Obama will demonstrate that Democrats will not be conned by their leaders, despite the dreadfulness of the alternative. How else can we make that point? If we reelect Obama, we are simply conceding that Obama can continue to con us. Might it be better for the country in the long run if we demonstrate that we only will tolerate true Democrats, not con men, and suffer through four years of Romney?JosephPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01965242356366611740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2772956368752433326.post-85214800071678123412012-05-20T03:00:37.050-04:002012-05-20T03:00:37.050-04:00I do not know how exactly to work you blog but:
ht...I do not know how exactly to work you blog but:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGs2iLoDUYE<br /><br />Newman notes:<br />They are trying to wash us away, they're trying to wash us away.<br /><br />That's all I got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com